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idea
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Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: May 19, 2011 (GMT)

Cannot confirm yet the validity of the PID on the previous post but have my own question:

Can I make a usable extended PID for torque from the following data?

parameter id=”P36″
name=”Primary Wastegate Duty Cycle”
desc=”” ecubyteindex=”12″ ecubit=”3″ address>0x000030
conversions
conversion units=”%” expr=”x*100/255″ format=”0.00″

Here are a few reference data from the same source for a couple of standard PIDs:

parameter id=”P8″
name=”Engine Speed”
desc=”” ecubyteindex=”8″ ecubit=”0″
address length=”2″>0x00000E
conversions
conversion units=”rpm” expr=”x/4″ format=”0″

parameter id=”P9″
name=”Vehicle Speed”
desc=”” ecubyteindex=”9″ ecubit=”7″
address>0x000010
conversions
conversion units=”kph” expr=”x” format=”0″
conversion units=”mph” expr=”x*0.621371192″ format=”0″

Thanks!

Slocav
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Posts: 17
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: August 18, 2011 (GMT)

Quote from admin on July 29, 2010
Knock Retard is available through Torque, and a wide range of vehicles appear to support the PIDs related to it.

However you *must* update to the latest version of Torque before doing anything else – this means getting the latest version that is currently available on the Android Market. Torque is only distributed on the Google Android Market.

Once you have upgraded to the latest version, use the menu button and go to Menu->Settings->(Scroll to the bottom)->Manage Extended PIDs.

Then use the menu button to *clear* anything that is present. This is important as the Torques implemented predefined PID lists have all recently changed.

Then Menu->Add predefined set. Be sure to read the dialog fully.

Most vehicles seem to support the GM PID set. You may try this set on any vehicle and it should make available extended PIDs which include Knock Retard, Cylinder misfire history, Injector Duty Cycles, etc.

Ian

How can i get injector duty cycle?

Slocav
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Posts: 17
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: August 20, 2011 (GMT)

Quote from Slocav on August 18, 2011
Quote from admin on July 29, 2010
Knock Retard is available through Torque, and a wide range of vehicles appear to support the PIDs related to it.

However you *must* update to the latest version of Torque before doing anything else – this means getting the latest version that is currently available on the Android Market. Torque is only distributed on the Google Android Market.

Once you have upgraded to the latest version, use the menu button and go to Menu->Settings->(Scroll to the bottom)->Manage Extended PIDs.

Then use the menu button to *clear* anything that is present. This is important as the Torques implemented predefined PID lists have all recently changed.

Then Menu->Add predefined set. Be sure to read the dialog fully.

Most vehicles seem to support the GM PID set. You may try this set on any vehicle and it should make available extended PIDs which include Knock Retard, Cylinder misfire history, Injector Duty Cycles, etc.

Ian

How can i get injector duty cycle?

Bump please…..

Slocav
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Posts: 17
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: August 24, 2011 (GMT)

Slocav
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Posts: 17
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: August 26, 2011 (GMT)

Bump…. Seriously….. I really need injector duty cycle….. How do I get it? Please…..

tom2501
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Posts: 2
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: September 6, 2011 (GMT)

fast06wrxtr, idea

did you manage to check if the PIDs you have work with Subaru?

tom2501
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Posts: 2
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: September 6, 2011 (GMT)

0C05EC PID doesn’t get any data from my WRX ’06
GM PIDs neither.

piemmm
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Posts: 6629
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: September 7, 2011 (GMT)

Hi

I’m not ignoring this thread, I’m just really busy and this needs a proper explanation, I’ll try that now :-)

If you have a GM vehicle, and the injector pulse width PID works, then you *should* be able to work out the duty cycle from that – this web page offers a conversion: http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-idc.htm – you will need the RPM as well

This page may also be of use: http://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/306296-conversion-injector-pulse-width-duty-cycle.html

The PID information for pulse width is:

  { "Injector Pulse Width",          "PW",            "221193",   "(((A<8)+B)/65.535)",   0,   100,    1,  "ms", "Auto"},

You may be able to alter it to do a direct realtime conversion to duty cycle, however I can’t vouch if it will work or be accurate. The equation you would need to use might be:

((((A<8)+B)/65.535) * [0C]) / 1200

which you could use instead of the current equation in the pulse width extended PID. the [0C] is the PID for RPM. This works, however I haven’t the time at the moment to test fully

Slocav
Member
Posts: 17
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: September 7, 2011 (GMT)

Quote from admin on September 7, 2011
Hi

I’m not ignoring this thread, I’m just really busy and this needs a proper explanation, I’ll try that now :-)

If you have a GM vehicle, and the injector pulse width PID works, then you *should* be able to work out the duty cycle from that – this web page offers a conversion: http://www.stealth316.com/2-calc-idc.htm – you will need the RPM as well

This page may also be of use: http://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/306296-conversion-injector-pulse-width-duty-cycle.html

The PID information for pulse width is:

  { "Injector Pulse Width",          "PW",            "221193",   "(((A<8)+B)/65.535)",   0,   100,    1,  "ms", "Auto"},

You may be able to alter it to do a direct realtime conversion to duty cycle, however I can’t vouch if it will work or be accurate. The equation you would need to use might be:

((((A<8)+B)/65.535) * [0C]) / 1200

which you could use instead of the current equation in the pulse width extended PID. the [0C] is the PID for RPM. This works, however I haven’t the time at the moment to test fully

I’m the one who emailed you about this… It works fine on my 2002 Chevy cavalier 2.2 Ecotec. Thanks man sorry for the bother.

wyrmbait
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Posts: 1
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: August 21, 2012 (GMT)

Any updates on Subaru PID please?

alizah
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Posts: 1
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: November 6, 2013 (GMT)

thanks for sharing such a wonderful information

hassan321
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Posts: 1
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: September 30, 2014 (GMT)

I got the full version on my android device. I added the predefined grand prix PID set, but I can’t get any KR readings on my 98 GTP (no data). Any ideas on how to make it work?

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qaism123
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Posts: 1
Post Re: How to get Knock Retard & other readings
on: October 1, 2014 (GMT)

Moved file to the correct directory.
Opened Torque… then added predefined file and
the symbol was there!
Hope this helps.

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