My understanding and translation of gas/diesel, my mechanical & programming experience… and what you’ve been talking and wondering about. I’ve been trying to learn the inner-working of the Ford ECU to eventually get more into tuning them… Since I’ve gotten Torque, that interest has peaked even more. researching all I can on my ’97 and the data collected for it’s ECU controlled systems. Ford seems to be protective of what is in their ECU. They don’t even tell their own tech’s what is in there. Their translations tables for voltages and psi are pretty sporadic, just giving voltage “limits” to some systems. I’ve found some translation tables, but had better luck trying to translate them myself comparing them within AE.

On petrol injection = throttle valve sensor. Diesel = accel pedal sensor and another accel sensor physically located above that on the firewall. So yes, basically, we use accel position, which is measured pretty much the same way as… but work’s differently and controls different things.

m j keeps worrying about our MAP’s using frequency instead of voltage… but you can read it “physically” as both. The Ford diagnostics manuals explain to their tech’s how to test those frequencies as if they were voltage and give some references to those from different sensors as psi/voltage tables. (But like I said, most of those I found are limits, to show if the sensor is bad and out-of-range.) What happens… is if you read a waveform frequency with a DC voltmeter, it rounds the actual voltage off and reads as the average of the plus side of the wave form… So even though MAP creates a frequency, MAP “voltages” show up as positive DC voltages from 0-5 volts. Does that make sense now?

Quote from Capp777 on January 26, 2014
Maf:

Any feedback on the alternate boost equations
using your vehicle baro and the latest polynomial
equations?

Edit:

A custom gauge as you described would require
multiple pid and equation entries… you might consider
a custom pid displaying the delta between two pids
until such time your gauge is available?

I’m sorry I didn’t tell my truck’s status here. I shared it with mj and other’s but not to you.

It got broke into about a week and a half ago. It wasn’t your “normal” break in. They took my mechanical gauges, tuner chip, broke my dash and cut wires in my dash, cut the carpet down the length of the transmission hump, broke off the door panels… etc. Stole over a thousand in tools that I had in there at the time.

I had been working on changing a turbo wheel, when I found some oil leakage in my compressor. That is not a good thing on a diesel. Diesel’s will run on oil and can cause a runaway motor. I hit a snag that the exhaust bolts were froze on. I had been squirting down the bolts with penetrant and kept the tools in there waiting on them loosening up. mj had offered and I’m taking him up on his old turbo– me rebuilding that one to use in mine. That’s when the break in happened.

Right now, it’s going back together. Insurance paid for the parts that were installed and the damage, but none of the tools. I have the ECU back in, repairing the wiring, looking for a carpet and door panels. My turbo is still waiting there to be pulled. A minor setback.

In the meanwhile, winter quarter has started with fulltime classroom, online and hybrid programming classes. Friday night I did 3 labs and 2 programming projects. Last night I turned in 2 more projects. Today I have a test to do before mid-night and presently studying for it. They are usually timed 30 minutes… but I usually finish them in about 5 minutes. I knwo that first one I don’t over-study for… is the one that’s going to get me!!!

I needed a break and visited this forum. Still need to work on my truck a bit today also. Good thing it’s Sunday.

Sorry to hear of your losses. It doesn’t
sound random to me. I hope you are
not dependent on those tools for your
living.

Have fun with your database classes?

Edit:

Oh yeah… and I still havent been successful
at posting images. Primer anyone?

Sorry to hear of your losses. It doesn’t
sound random to me. I hope you are
not dependant on those tools for your
living.

Have fun with your database classes?

Edit:

Oh yeah… and I still havent been successful
at posting images. Primer anyone?

Yes… The gauges where EGT/Boost/TFT and the tuner chip (I think) only fits ’94 thru ’97 Ford 7.3l’s…

Used to be mechanic. Used to be programmer. Then carpenter. They say my body is too beat up… So now trying to get back into programming. Actually the current classes are– Database (MS Access applications), Into to Programming (Visual Basic), Web Pages (HTML5 and CSS3( and Human Dimensions in the Office. Last time I did things with Visual Basic and Access was ’95? I know what I want to do (the logical steps), but some things have changed in the last 14 years. (The where and the tools to implement the how.)

Images on this forum… this forums package, IAN hasn’t added some of the extra’s too. One of those would be on “Avatars”… another is on file uploads. So I don’t see any option to upload a file… but you can post a link to a file (such as at 4shared or mediafire) and post an image by putting in the url to the image post tool (icon is a little painting)… if it’s uploaded elsewhere (Google +, Facebook, etc.)

Darn– Took the test. 13 out of 15. First time for that class that i didn’t get 100%.

Getting those into a db files would make things simpler. That way you can analyze if things are duplicates or different… not just between records, but in different files. Or just pick out particles records. I can read in excel “data” shreadsheets into db files.

They also are handled differing in how the programs run. Spreadsheets (like Excel is) has to load the entire spreadsheet into memory for it to work with, then every time a value changes, if there is a calculation, if a field that is used in a calc changes, it recalc’s the entire worksheet.

Whereas a db file, it reads and writes records, one at a time. (Low overhead) and the underlying data doesn’t have to be how it is displayed… You can manipulate that (forms and reports).

To look for changes or new “now,” I have to look at mj’s and cap777’s posts… where he says “here’s a new one to test” or go through one by one, looking at each formula… or looking at the comments they have for each and the change dates in those comments.

Problem is we can’t share/post those “here” on this forum. We could on PSN though. (Or via email…)

Like me. LOL. Just had to survive.

But it goes back to one of my commanders in the military who told me–
“You don’t have to be good at everything or know everything about everything, as long as you either know how to find out or surround yourself with people that do know and can do those things.”

I’ve carried those words around with me a long time.

Since I cant test on an OBDI vehicle
I have been waiting for feedback on
which form of the boost equation using
[221127] actually worked.

Did [221127] return a raw value from the
pid or a value calculated from its associated
equation? No one has answered that question
yet for me.

I will try to find the link that will explain the
pid math…

http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=3586.0

http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=2807.0

I would think efficiency would be measured as
output/input*100. So if EBP is creating the boost…
Boost/EBP*100.

But I could be wrong. Wont be the first time.

Still curious about the polynomial equations too.

I have the IATc in torque. I have not verified it against a known thermo but it looks to work fine.

two things, can we supress the ECU warning on every startup? and can we suppress the conversion to °f on the IATc gauge?

how do I give you the raw hex data from the accel pedal PID?

Quote from m j on January 28, 2014
I have the IATc in torque. I have not verified it against a known thermo but it looks to work fine.

two things, can we supress the ECU warning on every startup? and can we suppress the conversion to °f on the IATc gauge?

how do I give you the raw hex data from the accel pedal PID?

End Quote.

The only way I know to stop the conversions is
to change units to text not recognized by Torque.

Really only one version of the temp pids is needed. Torque
will convert its value as needed. I provided both after you
mentioned being more comfortable with °C during our
testing.

I noticed that todays update to the Torque Pro app has a new
special setting for Ford ECUs. Maybe that will eliminate the
warning message…but I understand why Ian would want the
message. Some 7.3 owners in the past threads reported engine
stalling when leaving the dashboard screens and entering the
adapter status functions on the main screen.

I hope GW1 was able to use the TFT F polynomial. Looking forward
to seeing working screenshots.

Edit:

I hope Ian would consider adding a disable conversion toggle
under the display configuration menu that would allow
overriding the settings>units preference as needed.

I had some time in the shop today and got a log with a regulator feeding compressor air to the MAP
it reads higher then I was told

Time Boost map freq(Hz)
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28:13.7 0.32 111.07
28:14.7 0.32 111.07
28:15.7 0.25 110.81
28:16.7 0.25 110.81
28:17.7 0.34 111.14
28:18.7 0.34 111.14
28:19.7 0.34 111.14
28:20.7 0.34 111.14
28:21.7 0.32 111.07
28:22.7 0.41 111.4
28:23.7 0.41 111.4
28:24.7 0.41 111.4
28:25.7 0.5 111.73
28:26.7 0.98 113.46
28:27.7 2.29 118.21
28:28.7 2.93 120.54
28:29.7 3.12 121.23
28:30.7 3.49 122.56
28:31.7 4.12 124.83
28:32.7 4.3 125.49
28:33.7 4.3 125.49
28:34.7 4.41 125.91
28:35.7 5.36 129.34
28:36.7 6.24 132.51
28:37.7 6.81 134.58
28:38.7 7.4 136.72
28:39.7 7.53 137.21
28:40.7 7.53 137.21
28:41.7 8.01 138.92
28:42.7 8.26 139.84
28:43.7 8.4 140.36
28:44.7 9.46 144.21
28:45.7 9.86 145.65
28:46.7 9.99 146.1
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28:49.7 10.14 146.66
28:50.7 10.14 146.66
28:51.7 12.18 154.05
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28:53.7 13.43 158.57
28:54.7 13.8 159.9
28:55.7 14.59 162.79
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32:23.0 5.46 129.7
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32:25.0 6.01 131.68
32:26.0 6.13 132.14
32:27.0 6.36 132.97
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32:29.0 7.89 138.51
32:30.0 8.15 139.43
32:31.0 8.15 139.43
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32:33.0 8.78 141.73
32:34.0 9.04 142.69
32:35.0 9.46 144.21
32:36.0 9.86 145.65
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32:38.0 10.43 147.69
32:39.0 10.55 148.15
32:40.0 10.71 148.73
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32:42.0 11.43 152.45
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