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Sammy
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Post Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 12, 2013 (GMT)

Does anyone have a list of working pid’s for a early 2000 F250 SD? I know there are some out there for the newer motors, but can’t find much for the 7.3. A lot f the standard ones output data. Some accurate and some not so accurate. Any help would be appreciated.

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 12, 2013 (GMT)

Quote from Sammy on June 12, 2013
Does anyone have a list of working pid’s for a early 2000 F250 SD? I know there are some out there for the newer motors, but can’t find much for the 7.3. A lot f the standard ones output data. Some accurate and some not so accurate. Any help would be appreciated.

Try this…

Transmission Fluid Temp
Header: C410F1
Mode/PID: 221674
Units: °F
Equation: ((A*256)+B)/8

Sammy
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Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 13, 2013 (GMT)

Thanks for your help. I will try that one and also look at some of the 6.0 Pid’s. I know there are a lot of 7.3’s out there. It appears that Torque can do it if it knows where to look.

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 13, 2013 (GMT)

If that works for you… the header may be the
key to getting the 6.0 Pids to work.

The predefined list of Ford Pids seems to match
mode/pids ive found in 6.0. Just not certain if
auto header works for 7.3.

Please let us know what you find.

Sammy
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Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 19, 2013 (GMT)

I’m still working on it. I was out of town for awhile. I am trying to do a Torque Scan and it keeps getting a error quits the add-on. Then I loose all scanned data.Any suggestions? Below are a sample of some of the good responses. Too much data for the tablet to handle?

Command: 2401 response:C4F1107F2401FFFF1110
Command: 2402 response:C4F1107F2402FFFF11AA
Command: 2403 response:C4F1107F2403FFFF1137

Command: 220001 response:64F1107F2200010012C7

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 19, 2013 (GMT)

Im not sure those were successful. 7F’s are not
supported?

You might want to try taking the predefined list of
extended PIDS for Ford (mostly 6.0’s) and try
changing the header from Auto to the C410F1
given in the example above for Trans.

Test one at a time for a response.

My search for Ford 7.3 codes shows mode/pids
for some codes are same as 6.0 list with only the
header being different.

If test response comes back with good data
then :-)

My understanding is that 7.3’s engines can
stall under certain conditions so might want
to test with KOEO for safety’s sake.

Were you able to test the trans example
given above?

Sammy
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Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 19, 2013 (GMT)

Yes but bad results. It was the same as the predefined pid’s.

Sammy
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Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 19, 2013 (GMT)

I will try tomorrow.
Thanks

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 19, 2013 (GMT)

I would look next at…

Engine Oil Temperature 221310

Injection Control Pressure 221446

Fuel Pulse Width 221410

Mass Fuel Desired 221412

Volume Fuel Desired 221411

Exhaust Back Pressure 221445

Manifold Air Temperature 2216E0

IPR Duty Cycle 221434

Boost 221440

Sammy
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Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 20, 2013 (GMT)

I erased my vehicle profile and started over. I then selected pretty much all pid’s for logging. I know some are for gas motors but I thought maybe I would get lucky. Below are a copy of the results that gave some sort of feedback except a dash. Inserting the code in the header didn’t produce any data when I tested it.

Device Time
05:48.8
06:08.2
06:24.3
06:31.6
G(x)
-0.68102
-0.8036
-0.83084
-0.57205
G(y)
0.258787
0.953424
0.40861
0.340509
G(z)
9.80665
9.41166
9.874752
9.874752
G(calibrated)
0.002417
-0.03222
0.01102
0.00889
Battery Voltage(V)
12.25
12.3125
11.8125
11.875
Coolant temperature(From TCM)(°F)
-40
-40
-40
-40
Cylinder 1 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 2 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 3 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 4 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 5 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 6 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 7 Misfire count(Count) Cylinder 8 Misfire count(Count)
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Engine Coolant Temperature(°F)
-40
-40
-40
-40
Engine Load(%)

0
29.41177
31.37255
Engine Oil Temp(°F)
76.1
76.1
74.75
75.2
Engine RPM(rpm)
0
0
654.75
745.75
Exhaust Back Pressure(-)
388
389
412
398
Fuel Injector Pulse Width(µs)
0
0
2096
2072
Fuel Level(%)
0
0
0
0
Fuel pressure(psi)

0
0
0
Fuel pump duty cycle(%)
0
0
100
100
Fuel Trim Bank 1 Long Term(%) Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 1(%) Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 2(%) Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 3(%) Fuel trim bank 1 sensor 4(%) Fuel Trim Bank 1 Short Term(%) Fuel Trim Bank 2 Long Term(%) Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 1(%) Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 2(%) Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 3(%) Fuel trim bank 2 sensor 4(%) Fuel Trim Bank 2 Short Term(%)
-100 – – – – – -100 – – – – -100
-100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100
-100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100
-100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100 -100
Injection Control Pressure(psi)
0
0
680.01
690.27
Injector Pressure Regulator Duty Cycle(%)
14.68971
14.68971
14.30314
14.68971
Intake Air Temperature(°F)

69.8
69.8
69.8
Intake Manifold Pressure(psi)
13.92362
13.92362
13.77859
13.77859
Mass Air Flow Rate(cfm)
0
0
0
0
Mass Fuel Desired(mg/stroke)
0
0
228
227
Miles Per Gallon(Instant)(mpg)

0
0
0
Miles Per Gallon(Long Term Average)(mpg)

0
0
0
O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 1(V) O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 2(V) O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 3(V) O2 Volts Bank 1 sensor 4(V) O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 1(V) O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 2(V) O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 3(V) O2 Volts Bank 2 sensor 4(V)
– – – – – – – –
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Speed (OBD)(mph)
0
0
0
0
Throttle Position(Manifold)(%)
0
0
0
0
Timing Advance(°)

-64
-64
-64
Torque converter slip(rpm)
0
2245.904
1028.966
924.6045
Total number of misfires(Count)
0
0
0
0
Transmission Gear(Gear) Transmission Gear (Method 2)(Gear)
1 1
1 1
1 1
1 1
Turbo Boost & Vacuum Gauge(psi)
-0.77638
-0.77638
-0.92141
-0.92141
Voltage (OBD Adapter)(V)
11.3
11.3
10.8
11.1
Volume Fuel Desired(GPH)
0
0
1.83E+13
1.77E+13
Volumetric Efficiency (Calculated)(%)



0
Trip average MPG(mpg)

0
0
0

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 20, 2013 (GMT)

The valid data seems to match the list
in my previous posting.

I am curious why the header didnt translate
correctly.

Either way it seems you were successful in
getting your known 7.3 extended PIDs working.

You might want to try the trans pid with the different
variations of header Auto, blank, TCM. Maybe your
luck will continue.

Sammy
Member
Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 20, 2013 (GMT)

Lets hope it will!!! As far as the Pid scan, any suggestions on getting that to work.

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 20, 2013 (GMT)

I thought I read somewhere that the 7.3 ecus were
buggy (hence stalling problems).

Im guessing that commands are not being executed
correctly causing the problems youre experiencing.

Ian (Piemmm) the developer hopefully can answer
this more accurately than I.

Sammy
Member
Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 20, 2013 (GMT)

Do you think it is a speed issue or is it maybe looking for a specific pre command? If it is lookingfor a pre code, I would think a quick looping program could be created for results for a known working pid.
Any thoughs

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

If my memory serves me correctly I believe
Ian posted that certain ecu’s from that period
had known bug(s) with diagnostic commands.

You might try running torquescan on another
vehicle to verify the app works okay.

A quick scan option that could be stopped and
restarted at another time would be well received.
Scans can take hour(s) to complete.

If your 7.3 is diesel… you may want to confirm
its fully obii compliant.

Sammy
Member
Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

I also own a 1997 Lincoln. I believe it also gave me the 7F response. I’ll check tomorrow. I did get some data from my 2009 Taurus.
Thanks for all your help!!!!

Capp777
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Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

Thanks for sharing your results… we’re
learning as we go :-)

Sammy
Member
Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

One last question. Can a person import and export pid’s . If so, can you point me in the right direction.
Thanks

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2926
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

Torque uses a hidden folder on your
phone .torque/extendedpids/ for
csv files that you can create.

The first time you access the extended
pids in torque it creates a .csv that can
be used as a template.

Once you create a valid text file in this
folder it will be listed in the add predefined
pid list of choices.

I would love to use the pid editor to build
the pid file but I haven’t found a way to export.

Hope this helps…

Sammy
Member
Posts: 16
Post Re: Ford 7.3 pids
on: June 21, 2013 (GMT)

I will look into your above post and see what I come up with.
Thanks again,
Sammy

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