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x-lr8
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Post Ford PIDs
on: November 28, 2010 (GMT)

Here is a PDF with some Ford PIDs they start on page 2

http://www.paladinmicro.com/documents/200304PIDs.pdf

piemmm
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Posts: 6082
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: November 29, 2010 (GMT)

Hi,

That has all the information required for the extended PID editor (in the settings) so you should be able to add them, I have access to a ford so will be able to test them and they may make it into a later version as part of the standard extended settings

Regards,

Ian

dimension4
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Posts: 3
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: November 29, 2010 (GMT)

I get “page not found”

Road_Wx
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Posts: 149
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: November 30, 2010 (GMT)

In the URL remove “http://torque-bhp.com/forums/” then it will show up.

daveyonthemove
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Posts: 24
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: November 30, 2010 (GMT)

Good find!
I’m trying to find some Toyota PID’s but not having any luck.
Where did you find the Ford ones? It might steer me in the right direction.
Thanks.

cfyfe
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Posts: 1
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: December 7, 2010 (GMT)

Sorry may be the wrong place to post this but it’s relevant. In looking at the Ford PID document, it shows all of the PID #s and “Ford Units”. So I’m looking to add these extended PIDs but I have no idea what the equation field needs for each of them. Any ideas or is this information Ford employee only?

1fastTRX
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Posts: 4
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: January 25, 2011 (GMT)

I’ve been scouring the net trying to get the EOT (PID: 1310) to work on my truck (2006 F250 6.0L Diesel), but nothing. I inputted the PID, let it grab the raw data and the reading is 55. I inputted the celsius to fahrenheit conversion for the equation and the reading is 133. This is steady when cold and warm.

Some of the info I got from here:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/engine-management-obd-ii-engine-diagnostics-etc/78442-ford-enhanced-pids-2.html

The below I copied out of my post in the diesel forum:
——-
(A*2.996)??? = -256-254 DEGREE F – 1139 ECT-ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE INPUT DEGREE F

1139 is the PID for coolant temp in degrees so plugging the equation hopefully will work for EOT. This is assuming the thermistor for coolant and oil is the same. I will see if I can get trans fluid temp as well.

…I just checked and it looks trans temp is different. Hope this doesnt mean the Oil temp is different…
A*31.25 = 0-8000 F – 1674 TFT-TRANSMISSION FLUID TEMPERATURE INPUT DEGREE F
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I used the above coolant temp to compare to the value which Ian has, but my readings are way off. Can anybody shine some light on this? I tried posting in a diesel forum, but nobody knew so I thought I would try here.

The following is the result of trying the above equations on my truck:
———–
I tried the above equations with bad results. Apparently my transmission is running at 3,125.8 F when cold and my EOT is 328 F cold (LOL). Raw data without the equation shows my trans temp is 100 cold and oil is about 109 cold, but coolant was 60 cold (Ian’s coolant gauge not the faulty one I attempted). ambient temp outside was 64 F
————-

Thanks,
Logan

PS- So far the app rocks! Being able to get the EOT straightened out would be a big plus considering the problematic nature of the 6.0L motor. Alot of the powerstroke forum guys I’m sure would be very appreciative and could bring some more exposure for Torque.

Aberk
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Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: January 27, 2011 (GMT)

Quote from 1fastTRX on January 25, 2011, 03:05
I’ve been scouring the net trying to get the EOT (PID: 1310) to work on my truck (2006 F250 6.0L Diesel), but nothing. I inputted the PID, let it grab the raw data and the reading is 55. I inputted the celsius to fahrenheit conversion for the equation and the reading is 133. This is steady when cold and warm.

Some of the info I got from here:
http://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/engine-management-obd-ii-engine-diagnostics-etc/78442-ford-enhanced-pids-2.html

The below I copied out of my post in the diesel forum:
——-
(A*2.996)??? = -256-254 DEGREE F – 1139 ECT-ENGINE COOLANT TEMPERATURE INPUT DEGREE F

1139 is the PID for coolant temp in degrees so plugging the equation hopefully will work for EOT. This is assuming the thermistor for coolant and oil is the same. I will see if I can get trans fluid temp as well.

…I just checked and it looks trans temp is different. Hope this doesnt mean the Oil temp is different…
A*31.25 = 0-8000 F – 1674 TFT-TRANSMISSION FLUID TEMPERATURE INPUT DEGREE F
———
I used the above coolant temp to compare to the value which Ian has, but my readings are way off. Can anybody shine some light on this? I tried posting in a diesel forum, but nobody knew so I thought I would try here.

The following is the result of trying the above equations on my truck:
———–
I tried the above equations with bad results. Apparently my transmission is running at 3,125.8 F when cold and my EOT is 328 F cold (LOL). Raw data without the equation shows my trans temp is 100 cold and oil is about 109 cold, but coolant was 60 cold (Ian’s coolant gauge not the faulty one I attempted). ambient temp outside was 64 F
————-

Thanks,
Logan

PS- So far the app rocks! Being able to get the EOT straightened out would be a big plus considering the problematic nature of the 6.0L motor. Alot of the powerstroke forum guys I’m sure would be very appreciative and could bring some more exposure for Torque.

Today is your lucky day…sort of. I have an 05 F250 with 6.0 and I have a lot of experience requesting manufacturer specific data and I would love to have my trans temp displayed.

using my ELM327 I requested the Engine coolant temp using the J1979 PID
>0105–mode0x01 PID 0x05
7E903410570–transmission control unit response with data 0x70
7E803410570– engine control unit response with data 0x70
Using the J1979…0x70=112 112-40=72C or 161F which is correct

now we try the Ford PID for engine coolant
>221139
7E80462113951–ECU data 0x51
7E90462113950–TCU data 0x50
if we convert that from hex we have 80 and 80*2.996=~240…too high
if we leave it as decimal 50, then we have 50*2.996=~150…much closer, but not the same
So it would seem that the data returned is not in hex

trying the trans temp PID
>221674
7E90562167403D1–TCU response with data = 0x03D1
7E8037F2231–ECU error no response
the conversion only mentions one byte so I am still trying to figure out how 0x03D1 can convert to the 160-180 range for trans operating temp.
i have tried bit shifting 3 times(the equivalent of dividing by 8) and the result was ~122. I have been idling for awhile, so that may be the right conversion.

I’ll let you know if I find anything.

Aberk
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Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: January 28, 2011 (GMT)

The trans temp had me thinking, so I broke out my SGII. Their website has a conversion for the for transtemp and it is /8. I dont know where the scaling came from in the other doc. Its interesting too that the other doc listed the range as 0-8000. If you take a 2 byte value and scale it by /8, you have a range of about 0-~8,100.

Page 5 shows the PID.

http://www.scangauge.com/support/pdfs/XGAUGE.pdf

radmacks
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Posts: 6
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: January 30, 2011 (GMT)

Has anybody sucesfully entered any the above PID’s I think I understand how to input everything but the last entry the equations can someone take an example of the equation for lets say The engine oil temp that is listed ? what equation would i use for that one ?

Aberk
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Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 3, 2011 (GMT)

I had some success with Engine Oil Temperature.

http://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=301.00

JESTERxHEAD
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Posts: 37
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 11, 2011 (GMT)

I have a question…. How do you take the hexadecmial code from that scan gage link for the ford 6.0l and put that in correctly. Is there something I am missing?

BTW. I already put in the engine oil temp, and figured out that the TXD is the PID code. I really want to learn this stuff.

The help would be greatly appreciated….

Aberk
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Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 11, 2011 (GMT)

http://www.scangauge.com/support/pdfs/XGaugeCoding.pdf

JESTERxHEAD
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Posts: 37
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 13, 2011 (GMT)

Thanks! I have read through all of that. and even tried to learn hex on some other google searched sites. no dice. I still dont get how to get a usable equation from the MTH line. I have the rest for the pid. You guys are way smarter than me but I would really like to have all the pids usable for the 6.0L diesel ford (least the ones in that scangage chart)
example.

Injection Control Pressure
TXD 07E0221446
RXF 046205140646
RXD 3010
MTH 003900640000
ICP
PSI

piemmm
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Posts: 6082
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 13, 2011 (GMT)

Hi

Add ’22’ before the PIDs you are trying to scan, It’ll probably help lots!

If you are entering ’11’ or ’16’ at the start of the string in the extended PID editor, then you will probably do interetsting things. You probably don’t want that! :)

so prefix all the PIDs you have with ’22’ (which is the extended mode) and you’ll probably have more joy!

(sorry I’ve been a bit late with this info, there’s so much going on this app is getting a bit insane!!) :)

Scangauge have their own weird system to enter extended information, it certainly is an interesting format!

Ian

JESTERxHEAD
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Posts: 37
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 14, 2011 (GMT)

cool…. Yea 22 is a request code right?

but what about the MTH line. I’m not smart enough to figure out the equation to read the senor correctly.

Aberk
Member
Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 14, 2011 (GMT)

Quote from JESTERxHEAD on February 13, 2011, 15:15
Thanks! I have read through all of that. and even tried to learn hex on some other google searched sites. no dice. I still dont get how to get a usable equation from the MTH line. I have the rest for the pid. You guys are way smarter than me but I would really like to have all the pids usable for the 6.0L diesel ford (least the ones in that scangage chart)
example.

Injection Control Pressure
TXD 07E0221446
RXF 046205140646
RXD 3010
MTH 003900640000
ICP
PSI

It is difficult to understand why they do some of the things they do. In your example they multiply the result by 0x39 (57) and then divide by 0x64 (100)…so basically multiplying by 0.57.

This is WHY they do it. The response to your request for Injection Control Pressure returns 2 bytes and these bytes must be scaled by dividing by 256. The result is in MPa(Mega Pascals). In order to convert this value to something you can visualize (I cant think of a point of reference for a pascal), SGII converts the value to PSI. The conversion for MPa to PSI is multiplying by 145.

145/256=.566 so the SGII rounds up and just multiplies by .57

So your Torque Equation might go something like this (Ian correct me if I am wrong)…
((A*256)+B)*.57

HOW do I know this…because I have the Ford spreadsheet open in front of me. 😉

Aberk
Member
Posts: 40
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 14, 2011 (GMT)

I still can’t get Ford transmission fluid temp to display. I get the extended PID for oil temp fine, but not transmission fluid temp. When I have the TFT gauge displayed it says NO DATA.

1297338189615 7E9056216740478
1297338189673 –> +7E8037F2231
1297338189735 **** repliedType=22 16 line:6216740478 lineData:16740478 ****
1297338189736 **** Put extra ECU into:fe1816 -9.375 for 16740478(24) ****
1297338189737 **** Filtered to:7f2231 ****
1297338189737 7E9056216740478
1297338189795 –> +7E8037F2231
1297338189873 **** repliedType=22 16 line:6216740478 lineData:16740478 ****
1297338189876 **** Put extra ECU into:fe1816 -9.375 for 16740478(24) ****
1297338189877 **** Filtered to:7f2231 ****
1297338189883 7E803410B65
1297338190020 **** Filtered to:410b65 ****
1297338190022 7E9037F2212
1297338190096 –> +7E8056213102AF7
1297338190148 **** repliedType=34 22 line:7f2212 lineData:2212 ****
1297338190148 **** Unknown PID:34 for:2212 ****
1297338190149 **** Put extra ECU into:fe1822 0.0 for 2212(24) ****
1297338190150 **** Filtered to:6213102af7 ****
1297338190155 7E9056216740478
1297338190214 –> +7E8037F2231
1297338190296 **** repliedType=22 16 line:6216740478 lineData:16740478 ****
1297338190297 **** Put extra ECU into:fe1816 -9.375 for 16740478(24) ****
1297338190298 **** Filtered to:7f2231 ****

piemmm
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Posts: 6082
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 14, 2011 (GMT)

That’s pretty close to working looking at the debug! I’ll need to have a look at it properly tonight as I can see a small issue with whats coming through there (Are you on version 1.4.5?)

I’ll get TFT working properly real soon now I can partially see what is going on!

JESTERxHEAD
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Posts: 37
Post Re: Ford PIDs
on: February 14, 2011 (GMT)

Thanks guys. I just had to have someone “draw me a picture”

I need to do a few more custom pids that I would like to have I will post them up so you guys can check my work….Then of course I will test them to confirm that is the correct reading.

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