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cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 21, 2020 (GMT)

Here’s the replies:
ATI -> ELM327 v1.5
ATPBE101 -> OK
ATCRA612 -> OK
ATSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSD12300F02 -> OK
ATFCSM1 -> OK
ATCEA12 -> OK
ATCM600 -> OK
ATCF600 -> OK
ATH1 -> OK
ATSPB -> WHY do you always want “B” protocol, while we know the car uses “6”?? (I always use ATSP6)
ATBI -> OK

3E ->
612F1037F3E13

22F150 ->
612F10662F1500F1F90

1003 ->
612F1065003003201F4

2C100458 ->
612F1037F2C12

2C10044C ->
612F1037F2C12

2C10044D ->
612F1037F2C12

2C10044E ->
612F1037F2C12

2C100AF1 ->
612F1037F2C12

2C1005DD ->
612F1037F2C12

2C100384 ->
612F1037F2C12

It’s strange the followings:
– first time when I connected, I’ve got replies like this “3E->7E8037F3E13 / 7E9037F3E22” and “NO DATA” for 2C100XXX
– i tried a second time to connect, and I get the above replies in one row only for “3E”, but non dummy replies for the others

I’m not that interested in the dynamic PIDs, but my primary goal is the DPF-related PIDs.
They ARE existing, it’s probably in another memory location, whatever..

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 21, 2020 (GMT)

Just curious…

Does your vehicle respond to these
OBD pids?

0178
017A
017C
018B

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 21, 2020 (GMT)

I’ll try them tomorrow.
But please tell me, do i absolutely need to send ALL those commands, from ATI, up to ATBI? ‘Coz they drive me crazy :-)
Yes, i know ATSP6 needs to be, what about the others?

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 21, 2020 (GMT)

As these are standard OBD pids
like the 0100 used by the adapter
to settle on a protocol, I would test
without the extra commands needed
for extended manufacturer pids.

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 22, 2020 (GMT)

0178 ->
7E8100B417807000000
7E8210000540000AAAA

017A ->
7E81009417A03000000
7E821000000AAAAAAAA

017C ->
NO DATA

018B ->
7E81009418B5F000000
7E821000000AAAAAAAA

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 22, 2020 (GMT)

Quote from cristee.an on January 22, 2020
0178 ->
7E8 10 0B 41 78 07 00 00 00
7E8 21 00 00 54 00 00 AA AA

017A ->
7E8 10 09 41 7A 03 00 00 00
7E8 21 00 00 00 AA AA AA AA

017C ->
NO DATA

018B ->
7E8 10 09 41 8B 5F 00 00 00
7E8 21 00 00 00 AA AA AA AA

End Quote.

These seem to be valid messages but
the data is suspect (lots of zeros). Assuming
you are using Auto as header, I would be
curious if 7DF is needed.

Torque Pro already has 0178 defined so
I suggest creating displays to monitor. You
should be able to see temperatures change
during regens.

The data for 017A suggests DPF pressure
should be available. You will need to create
custom pids to read this data. I would try
Int16(B:C) and Int16(D:E). A divide by will likely
be needed to get results in a more useful
range. If numbers are +/- using Signed()
function may be needed.

I would monitor the data from 018B before,
during and after regen. There should be useful
DPF data within.

Search for these pids on the web. I have seen
posts where others have figured the equations
out for use.

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 23, 2020 (GMT)

Thanks for the reply.
Though, I was definitely expecting some more support from your side (from Torque supportin team I mean).
What I find on the internet, it seems PIDs and/or equations differ from US to EU car version, for the same engine (and I don’t mean here the units, which is another “nice” story).
My engine is the very popular N47 on a German car version.
So I wonder, as BMW is a very popular car, why do you guys don’t have already everything prepared, so that it can be used as such? Without spending MANY days searching and trying..
If a Pagani Zonda’s owner would need this info, then I guess no-one would expect a quick answer 😉

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 23, 2020 (GMT)

Ian is a one man show and I am just
another Torque Pro user trying to
assist.

The OBD pids are based upon standards
not the vehicle. The extended manufacturer
pids are proprietary and likely specific to your
vehicle.

As my daily driver is an OBDI 1995 Jeep, I
am unable to test these hence the reference
to users that have.

To my knowledge, Torque is not able to
provide the pids you desire because of
licensing. You however have the ability to
figure them out and add yourself. I believe
the pids included in Torque are from public
domain.

Have you searched Torque Pro DPF or by OBD
PID No.? I suspect minutes not days for finding
your answers.

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 27, 2020 (GMT)

Yes, I imagined you’re a kind user, wanting to support, and thank you for that.
And of course, I also thank to Ian for his support up to now.
Apologies for my slightly less polite previous message. Please also understand there’s a lot of frustration behind my keyboard, as I firstly tried to monitor the DPF PIDs last year. Since end of last year, I was searching more and more, spending not minutes, but many days, fiding some pieces of information here and there. Then I realized my adapter was a cheap Chinese one, and I ordered a genuine one fropm Germany (UniCarScan UCSI-2000), 10 times more expensive. It seems this one doesn’t even do what the chinese one was (without getting into details, it discharges my battery over the weekend, as I let my adapter plugged in all the time, it has simply no f**ing standby mode !!).
Then i ordered another adapter (Carista), and this one seems much better, but still DPF PIDs are sooo far away !

Yes, I found some PID numbers, and some equations, but which I don’t know exactly if they apply to my ECU.
For instance, does a certain *extended* or regular PID number apply to all engines of a manufacturer?
Secondly, an equation applies to all engines as said above?
I mean, what if my car sends a ABCD word, which for N47 engine it should be translated in Torque using a different equation than foer the engine B47?
I anyway didn’t yet find some trustful equations for my 520d N47 engine.

Thanks :-)

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 27, 2020 (GMT)

The 01xx pids are defined by standard. If
your vehicle supports a given 01xx pid it will
not matter what engine/vehicle.

Did you ever try using 7DF as header for
0178, 017A and 018B?

Search for Wiki OBD-II PIDs for a reference.

Search PID: 017A.

Search PID: 018B and
Torque Pro DPF Status PID: 018B

ht tp://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=484050&page=3

Edited.

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 27, 2020 (GMT)

OK, I’ll try this too.
But my time is quite limited, i can’t spend ages in trying and reading things. I just wanted to monitor my DPF, that;s it, and thought that I get here a straight, quick, clear and simple answer of the way to proceed. Since again, it’s a bloody F10 BMW, they’re everywhere :)

F-150Torqued
Member
Posts: 427
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 28, 2020 (GMT)

@cristee.an I understand your frustration. Just wanted to offer my experience in defense of Lan and Torque Pro generally.

I have spent endless hours (willingly I should add) scanning, searching, logging PIDs and hammering on formulas for extended OBDII PIDs on my 2004 Ford F150 5.4L 3v Triton. I have found / isolated over 475. Likewise – one would THINK it a common enough vehicle that they would work universally. But sharing them with other fellow Ford users – I have found differences EVEN BETWEEN UNITS ASSEMBLED IN DIFFERENT ASSEMBLY PLANTS. The PCM has a ‘revision’ number – and it it doesn’t match, ALL bets are off. Hell, it seems different plants have different programmers who do not talk. Then I found a case where a ‘DIFFERENT PART NUMBER’ on an Oil Temperature Sensor resulted in erroneous EOT readings.

With manufacturers keeping their data close to their chest (to support their service techs), poor Lan would never be able to know all vehicle types / models. There are LOTS of differnces even between Ford 5.4 and 4.6, ie: variable cam timing, Flex fuel and so forth.

This explains the limited nature of MOST OBDII readers. At least Torque Pro provides the ‘capability’ to go beyond the government mandated standardized set of PIDs (mostly ment for emissions monitoring).

You’ll get the best help from members here (Like Capp777 and Cintakc) and Forums for your specific vehicle.

Sorry for your frustration and good luck.

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Chrispy
Member
Posts: 12
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: April 19, 2020 (GMT)

BMWs are particularly awkward for extended PIDs as they use extended addressing and normally require dynamically defined PIDs (service 2C) rather than normal requests (service 21/22).

It looks like the extended addressing is working ok.
Have you tried adding a service 2C request into the diagnostic start command field?

Try adding this:
2C03F300
2C01F30041020102

And change your PID to be 22F300

This might get you accelerator pedal position but it’s really more to see if the PID definition works.

If it does, then you would always use PID 22F300 and you’d just change the 41020102 in the second line to request different parameters.

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: April 25, 2020 (GMT)

Does anyone have information on PIDs for BMW 30hh01?

Write (09:18:42,775): 300A01
Read (09:18:42,856): 300A01
612 F1 06 70 0A 01 2C 21 5D 
>
Write (09:18:42,883): 300B01
Read (09:18:42,923): 300B01
612 F1 03 7F 30 12 
>
Write (09:18:42,947): 300C01
Read (09:18:42,995): 300C01
612 F1 06 70 0C 01 2A 26 7C 
>
Write (09:18:43,024): 300E01
Read (09:18:43,062): 300E01
612 F1 10 08 70 0E 01 00 E5 
612 F1 21 EB 00 00 FF FF FF
.....
.....
Write (15:09:35,814): 300A01
Read (15:09:35,877): 300A01
7E8 06 70 0A 01 2E 5B 5A 
>
Write (15:09:35,901): 300B01
Read (15:09:35,947): 300B01
7E8 03 7F 30 12 
>
Write (15:09:35,969): 300C01
Read (15:09:36,016): 300C01
7E8 06 70 0C 01 37 44 66 
>
Write (15:09:36,038): 300E01
Read (15:09:36,086): 300E01
7E8 10 08 70 0E 01 00 A5 F0 
7E8 21 00 00 AA AA AA AA AA 
cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: May 2, 2020 (GMT)

higher log with addresses 7E0/7E8
PIDs for BMW 30hh01 with 6F1/612 and 7E0/7E8 who has information?

Chrispy
Member
Posts: 12
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: May 2, 2020 (GMT)

Have you tried sending the requests with 03 at the end (instead of 01)?

That will hopefully tell you the units and scaling, which might give a clue.

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: May 3, 2020 (GMT)

thanks, let’s try

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: May 5, 2020 (GMT)

Chrispy, PID requests 30xx03 are not supported

Capp777
Member
Posts: 2862
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: May 7, 2020 (GMT)

Just curious… what does mode 30 do?

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