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bmwf11
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Posts: 1
Post Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 6, 2019 (GMT)

Hi,

Several days ago, I opened a topic, got a reply from cintakc, but when trying to reply back, my reply is not saved, as annoying as can be, i can’t do it..

Anyway, cintakc last message was:
========================================
https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=6277.0
try this commands in the terminal programm

ATI
ATPBE101
ATCRA612
ATSH6F1
ATFCSH6F1
ATFCSD12300F02
ATFCSM1
ATCEA12
ATCM600
ATCF600
ATH1
ATSPB
ATBI
22F150
========================================

So I’ve done some tests:
– I initially used my old ELM adapter (Chinese one, blue) which was actually working with default PIDs. I’ve got some “?”.
Then with the app ELM identifier, I noticed many “KOs”.
A fiend of mine borrowed me his adapter, which was giving all commands green, “OK”. Despite the fact that it was displaying version 1.5 after “ATI” command, he was compatible even with 2.2 version..
So, using this new adapter, the responses are the following:
ATI -> ELM v1.5
ATPBE101 -> OK
ATCRA612 -> OK
ATSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSD12300F02 -> OK
ATFCSM1 -> OK
ATCEA12 -> OK
ATCM600 -> OK
ATCF600 -> OK
ATH1 -> OK
ATSPB -> OK
ATBI -> OK
22F150 -> blank, nothing

Please let me know which other tests should I do.

Thanks.

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 8, 2019 (GMT)

OK, so the site was down for several days.
Please then have a look to my post above, this is the latest status.
Thanks.
P.S. it’s me for both users: cristee.an and bmwf11. I created the second user as I thought there’s something wrong with my profile (replies from other users apparently were possible)

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 8, 2019 (GMT)

ATI
ATPBE101
ATCRA612
ATSH6F1
ATFCSH6F1
ATFCSD12300F02
ATFCSM1
ATCEA12
ATCM600
ATCF600
ATH1
ATSPB
ATBI
3E
1A80
22F101
22F18A
22F18B
22F18C
224402

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 11, 2019 (GMT)

Hi cintakc,

Well, in the meanwhile I read about ELM commands, and I discovered that using the command “ATSPB”, we’re setting the wrong protocol with ECU. The correct one is “6” = ISO 15765-4 CAN (11 bit ID, 500 kbit/s).
So I get the following results:
3E -> 7E8037F3E13
1A80 -> NODATA
22F101 -> 7E8103C62F101010100
22F18A -> 7E80662F18A000008
22F18B -> 7E80662F18B140509
22F18C -> 7E8100D62F18C303033
224402 -> NODATA

And due to the correct protocol selection, I’ve got also a successful reply now to this one:
22F150 -> 7E80662F1500F1F90

Cristian

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 11, 2019 (GMT)

suspicion that your adapter is fake, as in a multiline response the adapter accepts only one line
What were the answers to all the ATxx commands?
try adapter with this program https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.prizmos.carista&hl=ru
22 F1 01
7E8 10 3C 62 F1 01 01 01 00

3Chex = 60dec, response contains 60 bytes

try this
atsp6
atsh7e0
3e
1003
22f150
0100
2100

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 12, 2019 (GMT)

I installed Carista OBD2, but i couldn’t connect to the ECU (I think not even to the adapter itself) and the app displayed a message that my adapter could be defective. So your suspicion could be true..

Please recommend a good adapter, as I can’t figure out which one should be ok (so many to chose from, and apparently so many are fake..). In the range of 30-50$ maybe, and a bluetooth one (not wifi), from amazon, ebay etc.

Previously, and this time as well (atsp6, atsh7e0), the answer to all ATxx commands was “OK”.
3e -> 7E8037F3E13
1003 -> 7E8065003003201F4
22F150 -> 7E80662F1500F1F90
0100 -> 7E8064100983BA013
2100 -> NODATA

Ohh, and I get the feeling that NOT ALL (genuine) adapters read EVERY parameter of the car..this seems odd to me.
But if this is the case, I should say that I’m particularly interested to have DPF readings (ash, soot mass, diff pressure, DPF life etc), then also engine & auto-gearbox oil parameters (level, mileage etc).
I’m also interested to have a reading that will give me a clue about the diesel fuel quality – do you know which reading/application may give me this view?

Thanks so much for your support !

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 12, 2019 (GMT)

OBDLink MX adapters
https://torque-bhp.com/wiki/Bluetooth_Adapters

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: November 13, 2019 (GMT)

I purchased one of this:
https://www.obd-2.de/shop/profi-diagnose/bmw-motorrad/129/unicarscan-bt-diagnoseadapter

Once received, I’ll re-do all the actions you’ve requested in the previous posts and update this thread.
Thanks a lot for the support so far!

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 15, 2020 (GMT)

Hi,

A while ago, I received the adapter UniCarScan. It is NOT a “fake” adapter.
But it seems it cannot read most of the memory locations.
Find here the ELM327 Identifier log. Some KOs, I don’t know if they really matter here.

====================================
Scan date=2020-01-13 11:20:55
Device name=UniCarScan
Device mac=00:1D:A5:02:2C:CB
Device Version (Declared)=ELM327 v2.1

Command Version Result
AT@1 1.0 OK
ATSPA6 1.0 OK
ATTPA6 1.0 OK
ATTP6 1.0 OK
ATSP00 1.3 OK
ATSP6 1.0 OK
ATAL 1.0 OK
ATNL 1.0 OK
ATAMC 2.0 KO
ATAMT20 2.0 KO

ATRA70 1.3 OK
ATSR70 1.2 OK
ATAR 1.2 OK
ATAT0 1.2 OK
ATAT2 1.2 OK
ATAT1 1.2 OK
ATBD 1.0 OK
ATBRT0F 1.2 OK
ATCAF0 1.0 OK
ATCAF1 1.0 OK
ATCEA04 1.4 OK
ATCERF1 2.2 OK
ATCEA 1.4 OK
ATCF00000111 1.0 OK
ATCF111 1.0 OK
ATCFC0 1.0 OK
ATCFC1 1.0 OK
ATCM00000111 1.0 OK
ATCM111 1.0 OK
ATCP18 1.0 OK
ATCRA7C0 1.3 OK
ATCRA000007C0 1.3 OK
ATCRA 1.4b OK
ATCS 1.0 OK
ATCSM0 1.4b OK
ATCSM1 1.4b OK
ATCTM5 2.1 OK
ATCTM1 2.1 OK
ATCV0000 1.4 OK
ATD1 1.3 OK
ATD0 1.3 OK
ATDP 1.0 OK
ATDPN 1.0 OK
ATE0 1.0 OK
ATE1 1.0 OK
ATFCSD0430FF00 1.1 OK
ATFCSH000007B0 1.1 OK
ATFCSH7B0 1.1 OK
ATFCSM0 1.1 OK
ATFE 1.3a OK
ATH0 1.0 OK
ATH1 1.0 OK
ATI 1.0 OK
ATIB10 1.0 KO
ATIB12 2.2 KO
ATIB15 2.2 KO
ATIB48 1.4 KO
ATIB96 1.0 KO

ATIFRS 1.2 OK
ATIFRH 1.2 OK
ATIFR0 1.2 OK
ATIFR2 1.2 OK
ATIFR1 1.2 OK
ATIFR6 2.2 OK
ATIFR5 2.2 OK
ATIFR4 2.2 OK
ATIGN 1.4 KO
ATIIA7A 1.2 OK
ATJS 1.3 KO
ATJE 1.3 KO
ATJHF0 1.4b KO
ATJHF1 1.4b KO
ATJTM5 1.4b KO
ATJTM1 1.4b KO

ATKW 1.3 OK
ATKW0 1.2 OK
ATKW1 1.2 OK
ATL0 1.0 OK
ATL1 1.0 OK
ATM1 1.0 OK
ATM0 1.0 OK
ATPPFFON 1.1 OK
ATPPFFOFF 1.1 OK
ATR0 1.0 OK
ATR1 1.0 OK
ATRV 1.0 OK
ATS0 1.3 OK
ATS1 1.3 OK
ATSDFF 1.4 KO
ATRD 1.4 KO

ATSH000007E0 2.0 OK
ATSHA848F1 1.0 OK
ATSH7B0 1.0 OK
ATST32 1.0 OK
ATSWFF 1.0 OK
ATTAF9 1.4 OK
ATV1 1.3 OK
ATV0 1.3 OK
ATWMC133F13E 1.0 OK
ATPC 1.0 OK
ATWS 1.0 OK
ATD 1.0 OK
ATZ 1.0 OK
================================

Answers were all “OK” for these commands:
ATI
ATPBE101
ATCRA612
ATSH6F1
ATFCSH6F1
ATFCSD12300F02
ATFCSM1
ATCEA12
ATCM600
ATCF600
ATH1
ATSP6
ATBI

But the answers for the followings:
3E
1A80
22F101
22F18A
22F18B
22F18C
224402
were mostly “NODATA”.

Besides this, it seems it doesn’t have implemented a stanbdby function, so after I left it the whole weekend plugged in the car (I always leave even my fake adapter, connected, but never had any issue), Monday morning the car displayed a warning that there is a higher than normal energy consumption. And all the time, even if the car is in “sleeping” mode, I’ve got a message on the phone to connect to the adapter.

Anyway, pls let me know what to do.

Thanks.

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 15, 2020 (GMT)

I have not encountered such an adapter

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 15, 2020 (GMT)

Please find the adapter info at this link:
https://www.wgsoft.de/shop/obd-2-komplettsysteme/unicarscan/114/unicarscan-ucsi-2000-diagnoseadapter

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 15, 2020 (GMT)

those commands that are not supported by your adapter do not affect the can protocol, but I don’t know if your adapter is compatible with the ELM327 adapter
perhaps there are additional commands for this adapter

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 16, 2020 (GMT)

I presume there’s a support team behind this adapter.
What should I ask them? (if might me too vague to ask if it is compatible with ELM327, or?)
Anyway, they’re saying it’s compatible with Torque app)

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 16, 2020 (GMT)

But the answers for the followings:
3E
1A80
22F101
22F18A
22F18B
22F18C
224402
were mostly “NODATA”.

specifically what answers?

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 16, 2020 (GMT)

In the meantime, I received another adapter, Carista, and tested it.
The dump from the ELM identifier app is this:

====================================
Scan date=2020-01-16 14:10:38
Device name=Carista
Device mac=00:22:77:08:77:54
Device Version (Declared)=ELM327 v1.5

Command Version Result
AT@1 1.0 OK
ATSPA6 1.0 OK
ATTPA6 1.0 OK
ATTP6 1.0 OK
ATSP00 1.3 OK
ATSP6 1.0 OK
ATAL 1.0 OK
ATNL 1.0 OK
ATAMC 2.0 KO
ATAMT20 2.0 KO

ATRA70 1.3 OK
ATSR70 1.2 OK
ATAR 1.2 OK
ATAT0 1.2 OK
ATAT2 1.2 OK
ATAT1 1.2 OK
ATBD 1.0 OK
ATBRT0F 1.2 OK
ATCAF0 1.0 OK
ATCAF1 1.0 OK
ATCEA04 1.4 OK
ATCERF1 2.2 KO
ATCEA 1.4 OK
ATCF00000111 1.0 OK
ATCF111 1.0 OK
ATCFC0 1.0 OK
ATCFC1 1.0 OK
ATCM00000111 1.0 OK
ATCM111 1.0 OK
ATCP18 1.0 OK
ATCRA7C0 1.3 OK
ATCRA000007C0 1.3 OK
ATCRA 1.4b KO
ATCS 1.0 OK
ATCSM0 1.4b KO
ATCSM1 1.4b KO
ATCTM5 2.1 KO
ATCTM1 2.1 KO

ATCV0000 1.4 OK
ATD1 1.3 OK
ATD0 1.3 OK
ATDP 1.0 OK
ATDPN 1.0 OK
ATE0 1.0 OK
ATE1 1.0 OK
ATFCSD0430FF00 1.1 OK
ATFCSH000007B0 1.1 OK
ATFCSH7B0 1.1 OK
ATFCSM0 1.1 OK
ATFE 1.3a OK
ATH0 1.0 OK
ATH1 1.0 OK
ATI 1.0 OK
ATIB10 1.0 OK
ATIB12 2.2 KO
ATIB15 2.2 KO

ATIB48 1.4 OK
ATIB96 1.0 OK
ATIFRS 1.2 OK
ATIFRH 1.2 OK
ATIFR0 1.2 OK
ATIFR2 1.2 OK
ATIFR1 1.2 OK
ATIFR6 2.2 KO
ATIFR5 2.2 KO
ATIFR4 2.2 KO

ATIGN 1.4 OK
ATIIA7A 1.2 OK
ATJS 1.3 OK
ATJE 1.3 OK
ATJHF0 1.4b KO
ATJHF1 1.4b KO
ATJTM5 1.4b KO
ATJTM1 1.4b KO

ATKW 1.3 OK
ATKW0 1.2 OK
ATKW1 1.2 OK
ATL0 1.0 OK
ATL1 1.0 OK
ATM1 1.0 OK
ATM0 1.0 OK
ATPPFFON 1.1 OK
ATPPFFOFF 1.1 OK
ATR0 1.0 OK
ATR1 1.0 OK
ATRV 1.0 OK
ATS0 1.3 OK
ATS1 1.3 OK
ATSDFF 1.4 OK
ATRD 1.4 OK
ATSH000007E0 2.0 KO
ATSHA848F1 1.0 OK
ATSH7B0 1.0 OK
ATST32 1.0 OK
ATSWFF 1.0 OK
ATTAF9 1.4 OK
ATV1 1.3 OK
ATV0 1.3 OK
ATWMC133F13E 1.0 OK
ATPC 1.0 OK
ATWS 1.0 OK
ATD 1.0 OK
ATZ 1.0 OK
==================================

Adapter’s replies are the followings:
ATFCSM1 -> ?
3E ->
7E8037F3E13
7E9037F3E22

1A80 -> NO DATA

22F101 ->
7E9037F2222
7E8103C62F101010100
7E821051610248A01FC
7E82201000001230000
7E8230100000A090104
7E824020600000A0A06
7E82518000800000A0B
7E82646150008000023
7E827FE461512050000
7E82801A7001102AAAA

22F18A ->
7E80662F18A000008
7E9037F2222

22F18B ->
7E9037F2222
7E80662F18B140509

22F18C ->
7E9037F2222
7E8100D62F18C303033
7E82131353731383133

224402 ->
7E9037F2222

22F150 ->
7E80662F1500F1F90
7E9037F2222

1003 ->
7E8065003003201F4

0100 ->
7E8064100983BA013
7E906410098188011

2100 -> NO DATA

I recall my goal: for my BMW F11 520d LCI 2014, I’d like to be able to monitor with Torque app, the following PIDs:
– DPF differential pressure
– NOX
– current gear
– distance since last regeneration
– ash mass
– soot mass
– calculated remaining capacity DPF
– successful number of regens
– regeneration status
– engine temp
– gearbox oil temp
– engine oil level

Thanks so much for the support.
For the moment, let’s perhaps switch attention to this adapter (Carista), as I feel is better than UniCarScan.

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 16, 2020 (GMT)

try this
ATI
ATPBE101
ATCRA612
ATSH6F1
ATFCSH6F1
ATFCSD12300F02
ATFCSM1
ATCEA12
ATCM600
ATCF600
ATH1
ATSPB
ATBI
3E
22F150
1003
224402
22D10D

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 18, 2020 (GMT)

ATI -> ELM327 v1.5
ATPBE101 -> OK
ATCRA612 -> OK
ATSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSH6F1 -> OK
ATFCSD12300F02 -> OK
ATFCSM1 -> OK
ATCEA12 -> OK
ATCM600 -> OK
ATCF600 -> OK
ATH1 -> OK
ATSPB -> I changed it to ATSP6, it was OK
ATBI -> OK

3E->
7E8037F3E13
7E9037F3E22

22F150->
7E80662F1500F1F90
7E9037F2222

1003->
7E8065003003201F4
7E9037F1022

224402->
7E9037F2222

22D10D->
7E9037F2222

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 19, 2020 (GMT)

it turns out the 22xxxx mode is not supported by your engine ECU, most likely only dynamic pids, but we still could not connect to them BMW F10

cristee.an
Member
Posts: 23
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 19, 2020 (GMT)

Quote from cintakc on January 19, 2020
it turns out the 22xxxx mode is not supported by your engine ECU
An update of car’s software may be a solution? Or only ECU’s software?
By next week, I’ll make a diagnose, and I can look after software level of the car.

Quote from cintakc on January 19, 2020
most likely only dynamic pids, but we still could not connect to them BMW F10
What do you mean by “dynamic pids”?
Which of the ECU replies made you think something is not supported?
I mean, I’ll diagnose her and perhaps fix some errors etc. I can even try to update the car’s software, so I can try after again and see if something has changed.

Thanks, really appreciate your support!

cintakc
Member
Posts: 1458
Post Re: Extended PIDs BMW F11
on: January 19, 2020 (GMT)

https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=6277.0
here is a topic that describes the use of dynamic PIDs 2C10xxxx
Oil Temp: 2C100458 –> °C : B
Oil Age: 2C10044C –> KM : B and C
Oil Level avg: 2C10044D –> % : B [calculation unclear]
Oil Level: 2C10044E –> see “Oil Level avg”
Engine Temp: 2C100AF1 –> °C : B
Mileage: 2C1005DD –> KM : B
Fuel Level: 2C100384 –> L : B

try this
ATI
ATPBE101
ATCRA612
ATSH6F1
ATFCSH6F1
ATFCSD12300F02
ATFCSM1
ATCEA12
ATCM600
ATCF600
ATH1
ATSPB
ATBI
3E
22F150
1003
2C100458
2C10044C
2C10044D
2C10044E
2C100AF1
2C1005DD
2C100384

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