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danielfbahr

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Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 6, 2019 (GMT)

I am trying to get a trans temp PID for my 2009 VE Holden Calais and the OBD mode 22 PIDs recommended for General Motors Don’t seem to work.

I know the car has a transmission temp sensor and it displays the information in a hidden “engineering mode” screen on the cars Display.

I have been researching and come across custom init commands to access non OBD compliant data through torque.

I have seen a command for bmw and was wondering anything like that is known for Holden?

Any help would be appreciated.

cintakc

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Posts: 1663

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 8, 2019 (GMT)

try creating an external PID and do a PID Test and made screenshot
PID: 221970
Transmission Temp
Trans Temp
0
100
x1
–
Equation: A
Header: 7E2

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 10, 2019 (GMT)

thanks will do

cintakc

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 11, 2019 (GMT)

these are test PIDs to check if the gearbox will respond
take a screenshot in the PID Test mode

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 11, 2019 (GMT)

The test pid returned -1.

Most mode 22 PIDS I try return A=-1, or -41 after equation A-40

I’ve tried GM Method 1, 2, 3 all the same.

The hex response is 7EA03F2211

The funny things is when I do a scan all of the results come back the same.

The only mode 22 PID that seems to work for the trans is the current gear.

I know the trans reads the temp, but I think it uses the value internally and doesn’t transmit it as a OBD PID.

My vehicle is a 2009.5 VE Calais V wagon with V6 and 5 speed auto.

I think alot of the trans stuff for my vehicle is just not supported as mode 22 compliant.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Pu1dIH_g-aYwS-Und2dpcRAevN7qA5Ni

cintakc

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 11, 2019 (GMT)

give me answers to such PIDs with the address 7E2
20
1003
1A9A
1ACB
1ACC
1ADB
1AC1
1AC2
1AC3
1AC4
1A90

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

Header 7e2

pid 0120, A = 128

All the others starting with 221003, A=-1 for all of them.

cintakc

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

these PIDs are without adding 22 in front

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

I tried using PID 221940 with header DA19F1 in the custom PID and it started the car!!!. Scared the shit out of me as I was sitting there in the dark.

so 20 = a=-1
1a9a = a= 2,0
1acb 1.0
1acc 1.0
1adb = 65
1ac1= 1.0
1ac2 = 5.0
1ac3 = 49
1ac4=49
1ac2=49
i tried som random ones
67-103
69= 105
70=112
40=64
10=16

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

I tried scanning with 7e1, DA18F1, DA19F1

DA18F1 set of some string of commands and set the traction control warning off, and the abs.

one of the others was just no data over and over

and the other the responses were 7E8037F2411 over and over

I didn’t do full scans, I just wanted to see what would happen for the first minute or so.

danielfbahr

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Posts: 48

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

non of the pids matched the trans temp which was about 46/47 degrees c.

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

I feel like we’re getting somewhere now.

danielfbahr

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

CINTAKC I found this spread sheet online called the GM LAN Bible.

I can’t really make much sense out of it, but maybe it means more to you!

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1qEwOXSr3bWoc2VUhpuIam236OOZxPc2hxpLUsV0xkn0

cintakc

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

so 20 = a=-1
1a9a = a= 2,0
1acb 1.0
1acc 1.0
1adb = 65
1ac1= 1.0
1ac2 = 5.0
1ac3 = 49
1ac4=49
1ac2=49

I need a complete answer in PID Test mode
example:
20 – 7F2012
1003 – 50 03 00 32 f1 01 or 7f 10 12
1a9a – 5a9a 31 32 33 34 35 36 …..

cintakc

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Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 12, 2019 (GMT)

GM LAN Bible…

I will study

danielfbahr

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Posts: 48

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 13, 2019 (GMT)

20 – 7EA0160
1acd- 7ea037f1a31
1ac4- 7ea037f1a31
1ac3- 7ea037f1a31
1ac2- 7ea065ac2057f6102
1ac1- 7ea065ac10171fe64
1adb- 7ea045adb4141
1acc- 7ea065acc0171dcb2
1acb- 7ea065acb0171fe63
1a9a- 7ea045a9a0223

i had screenshots so had the correct info, i’ll have to check 1003 again.

danielfbahr

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Posts: 48

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 13, 2019 (GMT)

Quote from cintakc on October 12, 2019

GM LAN Bible…
I will study

Thanks for helping me out, I appreciate it.

cintakc

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Posts: 1663

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 13, 2019 (GMT)

the exchange protocol of your car resembles the exchange protocol Opel
https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=3646.0
you need to install a terminal program for further protocol studies
example: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ru.mosreg.krasn.Elm327Chat&hl=ru
in this terminal it is possible to enter commands in a list, rather than manually and record the log, and choose English

try this
Header 7e2
pid 2100 without 22 forward

try in the Terminal
make the terminal
atz
ath1
atsp6
atsh7e2
atcra5ea
20
3e
aa03fe
2cfe0011
aa03fe

atz
ath1
atsp6
atsh7e2
atfcsh7e2
atfcsd300040
atfcsm1
atcra5ea
20
3e
aa03fe

danielfbahr

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Posts: 48

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 13, 2019 (GMT)

awesome – thanks so much for this

It’s interesting that they were taking about aa pids in the other thread.

As On my scan tool it mentions something about the transmission module being at address aa or something like that.

Cheers.

danielfbahr

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Posts: 48

Re: Assistance Required, custom init command for Holden advanced PIDS
on: October 13, 2019 (GMT)

Link to pics of terminal session and test pid 2100

Both terminal sessions came back no data.

2100 returned 7EA037F2111 a=17

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1KiuBANUTmSn6XTzPdULwKyoMkTgCSrQh

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