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Manifolf Air Pressure stop at 255 kpa

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(@s0lldsnake)
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Hi every one,

I have a '08 SAAB 93 TTID (Z19DTR).
When I use the standard PID for Intake MAP, the value displayed increase to 255 at his maximum value never above...

I read that it's a common issue with OBD II apps, but I don't know what to set in equation formula to get a accurate value for my MAP sensor.

I read in the WIS :

So I have to create a Custom PID with 010B, and set new equation...
But with which demultiplicator ?

Could you help me to understand?

(I'm really new in this world)

Thanks !

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 2:40 pm
(@capp777)
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Its likely you will need a custom pid
if your vehicle doesn't support 0170
or 0187 pids.

The scaling for 010B is fixed by standard
which apparently not used by your
vehicle (single byte resolution).

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 3:20 pm
(@s0lldsnake)
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Thank you Capp777.

It's not possible to use the standard PID 010B in custom PID and just change Scale or range?

If I use PID you say, what equation to use ?

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 4:29 pm
(@capp777)
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If the vehicle supports the other pids, a
quick web search should help with the
equations. I would think KOEO should
match atmospheric conditions...

I also believe the 010B pid wouldn't
handle the full voltage range needed.
But as always could be wrong.

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 6:30 pm
(@s0lldsnake)
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Thank you again, I'll try tomorrow, and get back to you. 😉

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 7:15 pm
(@moreause)
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i had the same issue like stated, no you cannot use the standard pid and change the value

the standard is 1=1 kpa if i remember correctly

some car will roll over ..256=1
some car will just stop at 255

you have to find another PID that will do the full range , if it exist

in the past i used an arduino to measure the voltage directly and send the data into the bus ...

but i finaly found the PID so got rid of the arduino

ps why 255 because the value is outputed in a 00 to FF format in HEX that as a maxium value of 255

 
Posted : 03/01/2021 7:41 pm
(@s0lldsnake)
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I've tried 0170 and 0187... No data sent back... :-/

 
Posted : 04/01/2021 11:04 pm
 Hiej
(@hiej)
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Hi,

have had similar "issue", following the datasheet of MAP sensor of my car is possible to read pressures from 27 to 400 KPA.

using this equation I can read pressures over 255 KPA:

A+256*(1-((24-A)&256)/256)

more details here: https://torque-bhp.com/forums/?wpforumaction=viewtopic&t=2894.0

 
Posted : 04/01/2021 11:17 pm
(@s0lldsnake)
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Hi Hiej,

Thank you for your help.

I had see your thread during my searchs before posting.
But your issues seems not really the same as mine.

Your pressure go on after 255, with 1 for 256, 2 for 257 and so on...

But in my case, it stop at 255 kpa.

So, I don't think that your formula could work for this problem.

 
Posted : 05/01/2021 9:54 am
 Hiej
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a solution could be to find the PID that shows the Volts value of your MAP sensor (Hope it exist), then you can transform Volts to KPA applying a formula knowing that 4.65V = 300KPA and 0.40V = 20KPA.

 
Posted : 05/01/2021 1:10 pm
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